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It just dawned on me what has been annoying me. In RO, its the posts of a few of the old, MOD players who've become elitist egomaniacs who feel they are always right. Of course, the psycho "historically accurate" nitpickers are in a hot second place. While they can scream, piss and moan in one direction about historical accuracy, in another direction the accuracy is relatively meaningless... so much for accuracy having any genuine substance. Also as in CoD, it was the jerks who, because they were there "in the beginning", thought they had all the rights, they were in "the clique" and all newcomers were among the unwashed masses. Let's not forget the UBER Clans that are under the impression they are perfect!! All pure, destructive elitist garbage.
Its one thing to focus on yesterday's applause with fondness and an entirely different and highly detrimental thing to "circle the wagons" and almost "demand" that things be "the way they were". They must remember; "There is nothing as dead as the echo of yesterday's applause!!" The guys who played the mod .... played the mod! RO OSTFRONT 41-45 is NOT the MOD. The elitist old-timers are, in fact, chasing the newer players away. Not in droves but it can get that way if these goofs persist. Today its the Dolphin Diving... who cares??? What will it be tomorrow? Nit Picking themselves into a foaming mouthed frenzy is ridiculous. The Developers make the gameplay decisions. Not the elitist goof balls.
Then, particularly in RO, we find the other PIA faction, one clown cries about a map name not being "fitting or appropriate" ...talk about anal nitpicking. This goof cited the fact... it didn't have the right ending letters in the name to connotate Eastern European origins and that it made no sense. Another "rocket scientist" berated a mapper over the mapper's choice of a vehicle and an alleged "time-line" error. If I were that mapper, I'd request a big smooch be placed on my ARSE by that nitpicking pain in the arse. Little people making big noises trying, in some lame way, to bring attention to themselves. Fact is they are, at the same time, making perfect fools of themselves.
Sadly, we then have the half-wits who feel that by creating polls they present themselves as some sort of intellectual type when in reality, all they do is manage to annoy people with dumb-arse questions that go nowhere in most cases. Polls rarely reflect what the "silent majority" are thinking or have decided.
Next, we find the boneheaded selfishness of those who constantly campaign for infantry only maps while at the same time cry for historical accuracy. That's an oxymoron for you. To be historically accurate one must have maps about battles that actually happened and made history. Not one battle of historical value in Europe during WW2 was without vehicles of one type or another. But these selfish goofs specifically want maps without vehicles (Tanks, etc..). AND still.... they must be accurate! To be totally historically accurate not only is the outcome of the battle known, spawning must go and then ..when you die, you die - end of game. Duh!
Lastly, The worst I've seen both in RO and CoD are the Nationalistic half-wits who bring political bull**** into the game and gameplay. These people are truly demented and have lost all perspective of the game itself. Instead they are proffering their twisted beliefs of Nationalism, Communism and cripes knows what else into the mix. We want the Russians favored! We hate the western front, there's been too much about the Americans and Brits! Make the Germans remove those names! This is the typical noise we hear... it clearly smacks of having emanated from either the intellectually challenged or totally immature.
Finally, One thing that itches my arse big time is all this hatred of Americans, shown both directly and indirectly. The knuckleheads have forgotten that these are games... games man, just games. Lose the political BS!
One can only hope the nonsense illustrated above disappears along with the ever-present nitpickers. People must wake up and realize they are boring people to tears with their bleating and blathering over nothing. I truly enjoyed CoD until the BS from both IW and IWN began. Sadly, I see the same crap starting to rear its ugly head in the RO forums. No, I am not involved, I'm merely observing. I enjoy RO also and wish to see it grow into what is hoped for by its developers, Tripwire Interactive.

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This is what "ruined" cod series. People thinking that they were "better" than anyone else. If what I read correctly sounds like what the "competition" players did to cod, killed it. It was either their way or the highway.

Myself, like many others prefer "choice". Have it all in the game and leave the style & gameplay up to the server admin relative to what they want their server to run. Lots of Dev's and even players have forgotten that point.

But to see what I too am seeing doesn't make RO a good game. RO is a great game, it is not meant for all and you just cannot go in with guns blazing and expect an easy kill. Complaints after complaints, damn people, let the ones who are devoting the time and effort do their thing.

What I want to see is that these asshats do some of the work themselves and see what it takes to put out a map or a mod. Seriously, these guys needs to go back to CAL, TWL or Clanbase and stay the **** there. Again what I read and see sounds exactly like a comp player.

Most of these noob players expect easy kill stats. They don't want to put forth the effort to learn the game since all they give a crap about is easy kill "stats". Again, like I have said about cod/uo/cod2, its about ME ME ME ME BS. AKA Selfishness!
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Yes Diversity we play on different server's for a reason/change. this is how we come to meet each other in the first place.
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I think some misjudgements are being made. While yes, I can understand completely where you're coming from, that is, elitist attitudes and so forth, but in my eyes these people are the way they are because they truly care about Red Orchestra. While there are nitpickers, who I will admit irritate me greatly, those individuals who are always pressing for further improvements to game content and playability do so because in their eyes, it would improve the game. What makes Red Orchestra unique is--or was--the intense attention to realism and historical accuracy. While those who complain on the forums point out that there are areas of the game lacking in this department, I support them. Panzer IV Ausf. H, StuG III Ausf. G, the compiled list of MG Suggestions, things like that are community initiative that should move the game forward. Think, how would people play if they actually feared the MG42? As it stands, the "pop up riflemen" have no reason to worry against an MG42 or 34 at any distances greater than 10 or so meters, as the accuracy becomes horrendous. Considering that the MG was the core component of the German squad, this should be rectified. The Panzer IV and StuG arguments, while minor issues, question the game's authenticity.

And now we get to the so called "dolphin diving." The developers already admitted that this was a mistake and should not be in the game. Tell me, how do you think it possible to dive, with some 60lbs of gear in addition to weapon and ammunition, to the ground, and have ones weapon brought up and stabilized on or before impact? It just shouldn't happen. People say, "oh, well I've never seen it done, therefore it is not a problem." I can only disagree. If one did witness it, you would see just how much of an immersion breaker it is. Have I done it before? Yes. Should I have? No. That sort of activity is only encouraged by such activity, as a reaction. Yet it should be outright removed.

While you make plenty of valid points Mike, and I agree with some, the game is taking a few wrong turns. I have faith in the developers though. They're good people, they care about their community, and I'm certain that they'll make the right choices, and sort out their priorities over the nitpicks and 100% realism fanatics, who seek to turn the game in to Red Orchestra: Infilitration 41-45 or something equally impractical. But, such is forum life, and such is the mindset of a few minorities of the Red Orchestra community. Make of it what you will.
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I think some misjudgements are being made. While yes, I can understand completely where you're coming from, that is, elitist attitudes and so forth, but in my eyes these people are the way they are because they truly care about Red Orchestra.
Agreed, but simply put... they can protect the fine attributes of Red Orchestra without constantly talking down to people, ridiculing people's "from the heart" offered opinions and descriptions of their in game experiences. The elitist's casual and sometimes sarcastic dismissals of these people's efforts to help in enhancing the game are not, in any way shape or form, promoting the quality and enhancement of the game. If they persist they will either divide the RO community or simply drive the new users away.

Which of course, falls back to "the clique" assertion that if you are not a member you can either keep your mouth shut or suffer the results. Most often its accompanied by sarcastic replies and an offer to either shut up or leave in so many words. That is just plain wrong! These goofs must calm down. OK, so they were there from day one, they're loyal enthusiasts but that doesn't make them members of a "charter control freak group" that calls all the shots for everyone or make them members of an implied exclusive RO "Control Freak" Club.

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While there are nitpickers, who I will admit irritate me greatly, those individuals who are always pressing for further improvements to game content and playability do so because in their eyes, it would improve the game.
I'm not talking about those who press for further improvements at all. I do not consider those folks "nit-pickers". I'm addressing the fools who, no matter what the the developers do, it simply is not good enough. The latest release is a perfect example. Who's crying about the new Russian voices, who's squawking about the G41 not being correct, a lousy choice etc.. Its these goofs who will eventually alienate the developers from ALL of us and our input.

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What makes Red Orchestra unique is--or was--the intense attention to realism and historical accuracy. While those who complain on the forums point out that there are areas of the game lacking in this department, I support them. Panzer IV Ausf. H, StuG III Ausf. G, the compiled list of MG Suggestions, things like that are community initiative that should move the game forward.
Realism is wonderful and yes, it is what has made Red Orchestra unique. However, certain concessions are and have been made for the sake of the game itself and its playability. Think for a moment if the realism were taken to the extreme,
  • there'd be no respawning
  • we'd know the outcome of every battle
  • the game would become a one-time event.
While I too am a realism nut, I also understand that taking the levels of realism to zealot-like states of desire and implementation will do nothing but bring a rapid end to RO. There must be lines drawn between realism and of course, reality of it being a game to be repeatedly played and enjoyed.

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Think, how would people play if they actually feared the MG42? As it stands, the "pop up riflemen" have no reason to worry against an MG42 or 34 at any distances greater than 10 or so meters, as the accuracy becomes horrendous. Considering that the MG was the core component of the German squad, this should be rectified. The Panzer IV and StuG arguments, while minor issues, question the game's authenticity.
I agree with this premise completely. If however, the developers are constantly badgered to comply with hoards of petty issues like,
  • menu language
  • tank colors
  • Russian language insertion
  • new weapons not adequate
  • and on and on and on...
these important realism factors will never be addressed. Bullet penetration is another important factor, the SU-76 strength, being able to climb over fences, low walls and other low obstructions in another factor. Here of late, the true game enhancing factors that NEED addressing are being left in the dust in favor petty BS items the nit-pickers are clamoring for.

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And now we get to the so called "dolphin diving." The developers already admitted that this was a mistake and should not be in the game.
Agreed, it has no place in the game.

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While you make plenty of valid points Mike, and I agree with some, the game is taking a few wrong turns. I have faith in the developers though. They're good people, they care about their community, and I'm certain that they'll make the right choices, and sort out their priorities over the nitpicks and 100% realism fanatics, who seek to turn the game in to Red Orchestra: Infiltration 41-45 or something equally impractical. But, such is forum life, and such is the mindset of a few minorities of the Red Orchestra community. Make of it what you will.
I have no problem with the developers, their support and their communications with the users is above reproach. In fact, Tripwire Interactive is the very best I've enjoyed in years. What we need are more people speaking up about the real issues facing the game and less of the above pointed out pettiness and irritations that slow and/or prohibit the real issues from being addressed.
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This is the beauty & beast about forums though how many good idea's are spawned out of absurd one's, always going to haft to harvest the chaff to get to the wheat.

I don’t think we are in any danger of TW loosing sight of what they set out to do.

With regards to the penetration discussion that went on recently over at TW's forums, I do agree with what Ramm & Co where saying; if it was to be done then they would haft to do it properly. They is a lot more to take into account than just arguing Oh its ok just slap a few lines of code in there, the other guy was being conservative with the facts for arguments sake during that discussion.

I think what TW are looking for are simple idea's/changes etc that they can implemented quickly with the technology at hand, without knocking already existing features sideways when doing it, within the schedule time frame that they already have road mapped for them self’s.

One other little thing I'd like to see are dirty tanks, used tanks, something’s that’s reasonably simple to implement in the existing framework without to much of a fuss when doing it. Simple changes like this are to me acceptable changes, providing the tanks are not being re-skinned on every map load.

With forums we all learn to take things we see with a pinch of salt.

How about a illuminate yellow one. lol
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Angel..... you are so right in stating that we must take things in our stride.

However we must also recognize and understand that everyone who is capable of ... will offer their "take" on every topic that interests them. That is a good thing for forums. It is when members of a platform/forum become close minded and stifle input that forums and platforms die.

The elitist groups, "cliques" if I may.. have a bad habit of attempting, by any means at their disposal, to stifle or otherwise shut people up and/or out. That is horrible and must be brought to a halt. It is this sort of behavior patterns in platforms and forums that signal the "beginning of the end" if they are not curtailed promptly.

I fully support "Responsible Free Speech".
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This is why I like these forums so much.

good discussion about game relative issues.
Everything said so far has it's merits and everyone is entitled to their opinion.
But as pointed out some people just take things a bit to far.

I love the historical accuarcy of RO, But when it comes to gameplay this has to be sacrificed sometimes to balance the flow and acheive the desired results.

As Mike stated I am sure there would not be too many people playing maps or RO if eveytime they played it the results came out the same.
Balance (betwenn realism and gameplay) has to be one of the main objectives in any MP game/map, without it things get stale very quickly.
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I hear what ya saying we all notice the amount of chat that goes across the Dev's forums on a daily basis, and is quite possibly a full time job alone trying to stay on top of it.

and god knows some of the idea's and things people come out with, doe's at times make you want to pull your hair out. But I cant quite see how bad suggestions or outright obnoxiousness can be dealt with swiftly by the moderators without the accusations taken to the sky's.

Although sometimes I wish that they would lol, but then that starts to open up a fresh can of worms, and before you know it that long slippery slope to the bottom.
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I have just been looking over the RO forums.
Lo and Behold Nestor is up to his tricks again, Nitpicking a map name.

The guy had called it something which he thought translated into Factory. Then, Nestor again chimes in that this is not correct and starts babbling on about this is correct and you should maybe change it to this.

He then adds at the end, he knows that a map name is a personal preference of the mapper and his advise is only that.

He then asks in another thread about a maps history, timelines, place of origin and stuff, Someone commented that who cares if the map looked this good, To which he replied I DO.

I am getting really tired of this crap. Am I being to over reactive about it ? lol.
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I have just been looking over the RO forums.
Lo and Behold Nestor is up to his tricks again, Nitpicking a map name.

The guy had called it something which he thought translated into Factory. Then, Nestor again chimes in that this is not correct and starts babbling on about this is correct and you should maybe change it to this.

He then adds at the end, he knows that a map name is a personal preference of the mapper and his advise is only that.

He then asks in another thread about a maps history, timelines, place of origin and stuff, Someone commented that who cares if the map looked this good, To which he replied I DO.

I am getting really tired of this crap. Am I being to over reactive about it ? lol.
That is Nestor..... he acts like a .... well, a "know it all" pencil necked geek. He seems to be very busy either trying to be overly helpful or attempting to simply "show-off". I am not sure yet which it is, but I'll keep observing.

What I think really has to happen is the mappers politely, one at a time tell Nestor to mind his own business. Tend to his own map(s). Stop aggravating people with his pestering and showing off.
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Most are doing the same things but this fool is persistent... if you don't acknowledge his BS, he badgers and badgers. He is succeeding at making a ROYAL PIA of himself.
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I have just been looking over the RO forums.
Lo and Behold Nestor is up to his tricks again, Nitpicking a map name.

The guy had called it something which he thought translated into Factory. Then, Nestor again chimes in that this is not correct and starts babbling on about this is correct and you should maybe change it to this.

He then adds at the end, he knows that a map name is a personal preference of the mapper and his advise is only that.

He then asks in another thread about a maps history, timelines, place of origin and stuff, Someone commented that who cares if the map looked this good, To which he replied I DO.

I am getting really tired of this crap. Am I being to over reactive about it ? lol.
At this point, I think it isn't so bad. Annoying at time yes, but as long as it doesn't go beyond that. I guess everyone has their own personality and his seems to be historical accuracy. As was said, if it bothers us, best to ignore it and it will stay minor.
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At this point, I think it isn't so bad. Annoying at time yes, but as long as it doesn't go beyond that. I guess everyone has their own personality and his seems to be historical accuracy. As was said, if it bothers us, best to ignore it and it will stay minor.
Moe, I agree to a point.

But remember he and the other nitpickers can in due time, drag down RO simply by making certain they remain "most annoying". Eventually, they can drive many players away with their incessant nonsense.

I honestly don't know which is worse;
  • those who pick nits
  • those who feel they are always right and everyone else is always wrong
  • those who, if you disagree with them, will "pick up their marbles and split" while denouncing you to no end.
They are all ROYAL PIA's who seem to do their best to make everyone else miserable in one way or another.

The bottom line is .... if you simply ignore them, its like ignoring skin cancer.. ignore it long enough and YOU go away.
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he's not related to tally is he?
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thanks guys, I will ignore his comments in future.

My son has taken over editing the Stadtangriff map from me for while, as he has figured out how to add Pavments easier than I can .

he is also looking at retexturing some of the buildings with new custom textures we have made.


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thanks guys, I will ignore his comments in future.

My son has taken over editing the Stadtangriff map from me for while, as he has figured out how to add Pavments easier than I can .

he is also looking at retexturing some of the buildings with new custom textures we have made.


will keep you informed on our progress.

OK, great..... plz, keep us informed.
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I think some misjudgments are being made. While yes, I can understand completely where you're coming from, that is, elitist attitudes and so forth, but in my eyes these people are the way they are because they truly care about Red Orchestra. While there are nitpickers, who I will admit irritate me greatly, those individuals who are always pressing for further improvements to game content and playability do so because in their eyes, it would improve the game. What makes Red Orchestra unique is--or was--the intense attention to realism and historical accuracy. While those who complain on the forums point out that there are areas of the game lacking in this department, I support them. Panzer IV Ausf. H, StuG III Ausf. G, the compiled list of MG Suggestions, things like that are community initiative that should move the game forward. Think, how would people play if they actually feared the MG42? As it stands, the "pop up riflemen" have no reason to worry against an MG42 or 34 at any distances greater than 10 or so meters, as the accuracy becomes horrendous. Considering that the MG was the core component of the German squad, this should be rectified. The Panzer IV and StuG arguments, while minor issues, question the game's authenticity.
At least we agree on the major points ... as we have since seen the majority of your points were addressed in the FREE October Update Booster Pack. TW has the best developers I've ever dealt with. They're honest to goodness people genuinely interested in the future of BOTH the products they produce and the platform they entertain.

One new and rather shabby sore point is the recent aggressive and totally wrong methods now appearing to be employed by the less mature and courtesy challenged members of our community who are seemingly turning a number of different topics in the RO forums into Clan, Group or cheer leading promotion centers. This is ridiculous!! We are "supposed" to be adults. Obviously for some, this is not the case.

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While you make plenty of valid points Mike, and I agree with some, the game is taking a few wrong turns. I have faith in the developers though. They're good people, they care about their community, and I'm certain that they'll make the right choices, and sort out their priorities over the nitpicks and 100% realism fanatics, who seek to turn the game in to Red Orchestra: Infiltration 41-45 or something equally impractical. But, such is forum life, and such is the mindset of a few minorities of the Red Orchestra community. Make of it what you will.
The nit pickers, as with most petty agitators, will soon fade into oblivion. They always do. Especially if they do not get their own way. Once the tantrums subside, they disappear. I honestly appreciate your comments and thank you sincerely for being frank and straightforward.

Its fairly obvious we need more genuine level-headed thinking such as yours and many others who contribute positively and far less emotional outbursts accompanied by irrational "cut your own head off" behavior exhibited by the highly negative, outspoken few who continually act like they're "legends in their own minds". Unfortunately, some never learn from prior experiences.
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just to put my 2$ in:
I stopped going to the RO forums some time ago as i got tired of all the attitude there.
People argueing over numbers of models of weapons produced in 1943 from some factory etc etc I mean Come on - who knows for sure? NO ONE.
People saying it was better in the mod etc etc
Arguing over tactics and stuff and realism down to the minutest detail. Jeese !
So i dont go there at all now as its all too much for me.
I wont post as i dont want to upset some military history fanatic.

But as you guys already said - its only for the good of the game they get so "excited" - but it turns me off the forums and i go elsewhere for news on RO now.
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Having read the discussions here everyone makes very valid points. I find it hard to be critical of any one persons hard work with RO, developers, Modders, Server Admins, etc... Lets face it we all enjoy RO but very few of us have anything to do personally with the simulation! I think I paid $19.99 at Best Buy for the game 6 months ago, and you know how many hours of entertainment I have received ? Countless!! Do I feel I got my moneys worth? Are you F... kidding!!

We all have played the new maps and Mods. Are they fun, of course why else would you spend time playing on them? You hear from players this map sucks, it favors so and so, why are there none of these, how come I got killed so easy, on and on. Even so then why are they playing them, over and over again. They hate it so much they have to play for hours on end, can some one explain this to me?

They complain about the servers and their Administrators, I can only imagine the hours it must take to set up, and keep them up, so we all can enjoy their work and what do we pay for their effort? Nothing! How about this forum, RGN? Anyone at anytime can join and post what ever comments he/she feels for the entire web to see, but at what price? Any idea how much time and work it took to create and maintain this site and how much we pay for its use?

Oh yea, its free! Huh? Any idea how many hours the developers worked and how long it took to create RO? Simply put, a bunch! What I would like to see is those who are critical of other peoples work try to do it themselves, then they can be critical. Comments about historical accuracy vs. game play, weapons, maps, time lines and so on done in a positive way is OK, but idiots just trying to prove how much they know only serves to demonstrate their ignorance. Are they willing to pay the developers for all the extras and tweaks they speak of, of course not.

They complain about the price of Sim to start with. What do they expect for twenty bucks? Fun? Would the Stug III or up-gunned Panzer IV add to their enjoyment, probably not. They would be next looking for IS II , ISIII or the King Tiger II(only if had the Henschel turret, not the Porsche of course.) Hey how about the Katusha Rocket launcher or the Nebelwerfer or Nashhorn, while we are at it how come there are no Flak 88"s, how can you play without an 88?

The Germans had a bazooka, where is it? The Russian Steppe does not look like the map for Orel 88 vs. 76's, whats up with this? Give me a break! Put your money where your mouth is or be quiet! Don't get me wrong, would it be neat to see tracks and foot prints left in the snow (Anyone ever play the old PANZER COMMANDER Sim?) or have the Tiger or T-34 crash through a farm house or knock over trees or to fire an HE round that actually acts like an HE round when it destroys something it stays destroyed, maybe. What would this then do to game play? How could you get close enough to get off a panzerfaust or two if any cover you found was useless? Think it would put the tankers at an advantage?

The developers know this, that's why the Sim is the way it is. Its a game! I don't have the expertise to create mods or maps, I just play the hell out of the game. So I keep my comments to what I know, and that is the game is GREAT!!! Even with a slow dial up that puts me at a disadvantage, I still spend as much free time as I can find playing RO. It's fun, and that is all I care about, those who don't like it can go play Americas Army, or some other Sim, maybe then someone will pay attention to their bitching but I doubt it.. For me I'm tired of it, after all it's only a game! It is a blast playing the way it is. Someone has to loose because its a game! That is the way it is guys, its a game. Not life and death. Oh by the way, did I say RO is just a game? See you on the Battlefield.

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At this point, I think it isn't so bad. Annoying at time yes, but as long as it doesn't go beyond that. I guess everyone has their own personality and his seems to be historical accuracy. As was said, if it bothers us, best to ignore it and it will stay minor.
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Moe, I agree to a point.

But remember he and the other nitpickers can in due time, drag down RO simply by making certain they remain "most annoying". Eventually, they can drive many players away with their incessant nonsense.

I honestly don't know which is worse;
  • those who pick nits
  • those who feel they are always right and everyone else is always wrong
  • those who, if you disagree with them, will "pick up their marbles and split" while denouncing you to no end.
They are all ROYAL PIA's who seem to do their best to make everyone else miserable in one way or another.

The bottom line is .... if you simply ignore them, its like ignoring skin cancer.. ignore it long enough and YOU go away.
That was 2007.... Its now 2011;

Unbelievable.... De Ja Vu....

About the asshats making all sorts of threats, complaints and nit piks nowadays in the RO2 forums at TWI...

Realism is one thing - Fanaticism is another.

All the know-it-alls yapping away like they are superior to TWI's Devs. Little do they realize ...they're chasing away new users.

Maybe, that's their goal.
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yeah i was suprised when i saw this thread active again.
I re read what i had posted 4 years ago and i am now at the same point.

I dont post on RO2 forums now and i dont like reading them anymore.
Sooo much attitude on there - real turn off.....

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yeah i was suprised when i saw this thread active again.
I re read what i had posted 4 years ago and i am now at the same point.

I dont post on RO2 forums now and i dont like reading them anymore.
Sooo much attitude on there - real turn off.....

again...
vbloke did you really think people would change even with the release of much more improved/entertaining shooter (from what I have heard here and numerous publications both on and off the net) than the original even considering this was 4 years ago?

Sadly I got turned off to the TWI Boards years ago as well, not because of TWI or its staff, but to a certain extent the fan base at large that inevitably frequent public forums. Oh well different strokes for different folks, but makes it difficult for people who truly are just looking for information on the shooter and not someone one-sided view.

Ironic that you brought this up now for me as it was the anniversary of the sneak attack on Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941 and the asinine and extremely offensive comments by a very few that were allowed to be posted in public that finally demonstrated to me just how out of control and one sided that forum had become and why I would never post or visit that site unless specifically requested to do so by a friend, which I will admit recently was the case.
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