De Ja Vu?

[Mike Nomad]

COMMUNICATIONS & SUPPORT
WHERE?


From Robert 402 Bowling's Blog.... Iamfourzerotwo (http://iamfourzerotwo.com/2008/04/14/on-the-pc-side-of-things/) .....



On the PC Side of Things (http://iamfourzerotwo.com/2008/04/14/on-the-pc-side-of-things/)

April 14, 2008

We’re getting ready to announce official submission guidelines / location for the Community Map Contest. In the coming week or so we’re going to be letting you know where you can go to officially sign-up and submit your Custom Community Map on the PC. It will also have a list of all official prizing that the winning map will walk away with. We’ve secured some nice prizes so I’m anxious to get this thing kicked off and a winner announced.

I should also have some official news for you on the status of the potential map pack release on the PC along with the Community Map Contest news. So expect that news in the near future as well.

I know a lot of you use the IW forums to keep track of the contest as well as new maps being posted on there, and we’re aware it is currently down. The Activision server used to host our forums is having some problems and they’re working on getting it back up and running. Meanwhile we’ve been working on getting a new Infinity Ward website and dedicated forum built which will replace our current one and become the source for all official news and activity. That’s several months down the road though, but just wanted to let you know something better (forum wise) is in the works.Why must we go HUNT this information down??

Folks, do you remember when 402 came on the scene? He promised us and other popular CoD sites that he'd keep us abreast of ALL developments and news pertinent to the users by regularly visiting.

Well, that is the FIRST of a litany of promises he has BROKEN.......

It appears Robert Bowling has totally forgotten (conveniently or otherwise) just who and why it was that his position came to be. We haven't forgotten. We will not forget the gross disappointments he has handed the Online PC Community.Several months down the road.... for a website?? Who the hell is BS'ing who?

A WEBSITE with forums can be put together in less than 24 hours! And... that's taking one's time to do so.

Several months is corporate speak for "we are considering doing this but we need the money to do so and Activision is dragging its feet as usual."
The art of Smoke and Mirrors has not been forgotten. Robert, please lose the double speak and cut to the quick... what the hell is going on there? We've been getting jacked around for the last thirty days. We see neither Patch 1.6 or information about the patch, no talk of the few serious problems being fixed in CoD4. However, we do see inactivity, delays, crashed forums and lame-ass excuses.

Everyone who has a website, is a LEGITIMATE KNOWLEDGEABLE ADMIN, maintains network hardware or is an IT Professional knows...Those "Official" IW forums should have been back up and running in a matter of hours if a simple restoration was the order of the day. OR, if both a software and hardware failure combined with human error was involved, a couple of days at best.
So when does the doulbetalk stop and truth begin? When will you and that Activision shill Robert Taylor begin to show the users the respect they deserve? What is really going on?

I'm sorry folks but I am running out of patience with the levels of incompetence and lack of professionalism coming from Activision and Robert (402) Bowling!

We have to go to a hobbyist BLOG to obtain information about the best selling game from a billion dollar corporation (Activision) to hit the world in decades?? :confused:


Nah...... that is pure unprofessional, amateur BS!! :mad:

[Mike Nomad]

Hazard, a frequent poster in the IW forums (which are back online as of this morning with NO mention of the much anticipated Patch 1.6 for CoD4 PC version) posted this missive.

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On the PC Side of Things
April 14, 2008 · 3 Comments

We’re getting ready to announce official submission guidelines / location for the Community Map Contest. In the coming week or so we’re going to be letting you know where you can go to officially sign-up and submit your Custom Community Map on the PC. It will also have a list of all official prizing that the winning map will walk away with. We’ve secured some nice prizes so I’m anxious to get this thing kicked off and a winner announced.

I should also have some official news for you on the status of the potential map pack release on the PC along with the Community Map Contest news. So expect that news in the near future as well.

I know a lot of you use the IW forums to keep track of the contest as well as new maps being posted on there, and we’re aware it is currently down. The Activision server used to host our forums is having some problems and they’re working on getting it back up and running. Meanwhile we’ve been working on getting a new Infinity Ward website and dedicated forum built which will replace our current one and become the source for all official news and activity. That’s several months down the road though, but just wanted to let you know something better (forum wise) is in the works.

http://iamfourzerotwo.com/2008/04/14/on-the-pc-side-of-things/#comments
402 you need to get your head out of your ass, you call yourself a communications manager, but cant offer any definitive time on ANYTHING?... you really need to communicate with your company more, all you do is post vague crap you've said over and over before, people don't want to hear the words "should" "potential" "getting ready" and "or so" I realize these vague words are to cover your ass when you should really cover your mouth, definitive dates is what everybody wants, if you cant do that then continue to sit on your head.

2 weeks after the map contest deadline March 31st, your now taking submissions for maps? IW needs to find another Comm. Manager

As far as the possibly of the forums being hacked, it's possible, but they will never admit it, Simple Machines is open source software, in other words free stuff, you would think a multi-million dollar company would have already bought a license with vBulletin or IPB, heh.. guess ya get what ya pay for http://www.infinityward.com/community/forum/Smileys/default/undecided.gif

While Hazard and I may not have agreed on everything, in this instance I completely agree. Its become fairly obvious that he and many other users are quite dissatisfied with Activision Robert (402) Bowling as far as Communications and Support are concerned. Somebody at Activision had better WAKE UP.

[sprinter]

I concur completely. It's bang out of order, and annoys me more by the day.

I hope they get things into gear, realise how the community feels, and to DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! This issue will only build up the frustration felt by everyone.

Whether this means taking on a few more employees or spreading priorities out more evenly.

Really is a sham though, one of the points in the above, and one of the many examples of IW's poor efforts, the mapping contest, they had ample time to sort things out while the contest was running, but no, they leave everything till after the deadline? And even still, it's not sorted out. Really not thinking about us all, and the mappers that put so much effort into that.

IMO, we need to try promote RGN, that theres a better place. Obviously we can't go mad on this otherwise I'm sure, it will noted by Razor and Joker. Just the small persuasion here and there:wink2:

[Mike Nomad]

Sprinter, If I were you, I'd think twice before placing the blame for this nonsense at IW's doorstep.

The entire situation REEKS of Activision's Corporate inability to react quickly to immediate attention situations.

You see, Activision has been and unfortunately has always been the hobbling effect upon Infinity Ward. Just like with Robert Bowling... we were led to believe as I am sure Bowling was, that he was hired to represent IW in all matters IW. Well, that scene has dramatically changed.

Bowling (402) has, as its fairly obvious at this time, become an Activision flunky. He offers bland, non-committal lip service, not the substantive information we were promised by him when he was hired.

Activision is the culprit... not Infinity Ward.

[sprinter]

Understood, and agree.

Hope things improve, if not this time around, at least for number 6.

Fingers crossed anywhos, for us and for them, as it is only denting their reputation, something that is very hard to get in the first place.

[Wizz]

And not thing on the patch. There is no way that anyone can tell me that the patch isn't finished, ready for deployment.

This patch better fix some nagging issues or I see CoD4 PC wise having a life span of a year tops. Who knows maybe 1.6 will be the last patch, I don't know but time will tell.

As far as 402, well its a known fact he is a console boy and that is his priority and the PC side gets what ever left overs there is. Wanna bet that the PC 1.6 patch is being held up again because of the console side.

IW made a big mistake by handing over IW to Activision lock, stock and barrel.

[RaDioAcTivE]

The several months down the road line for a new web site cracks me up. To think that the company who created COD4 needs anything more then an hour at tops to copy a database and site over to a new host is just plain ridiculous.

[richman]

You have to admit the writing was on the wall back a couple of months ago with this 402... too bad nothing got better.

These mapping contest are merely a diversion from game flaws and their forum being a mess is just another.

Frankly I don't think their having problems.

[SgtDarkside]

Activision :fu:

It seems that activision will never change its "colours" same BS with everything it touches. Cant believe that they are so narrow minded.

[zeroy]

The whole PC communication is a shamble, even when we get news from 402 it usually result in more confusion than anything else!!!

I understand that he needs to weight his words when posting but all we are after are REAL dates and FACTS not "maybe" or "should" :mad:

I wont even start on the Mapping contest... no rules/dates or anything can be trusted on this, there is even doubt as to European Mapper participation!

[Mike Nomad]

Look who posted in the PC area of the IW forum and said...... NOTHING!

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Yeah, sorry it's taking longer than expected to confirm all the legal / logistics of the contest.

To give you an idea of where we stand right now.

We have all the prizing confirmed (which will be announced with the official submission rules). The biggest hold up is typically always Legal with an contest. So we're trying to get all the legal mumbo jumbo regarding contest submissions. I've been fighting to make sure it wasn't US-only as I know we have a lot of amazing mappers worldwide (especially in Europe). So that took some working on.

In addition we had to get our partner (who will be helping taking submissions / voting / publicizing the winning map maker) because we want to make sure the top guys get a lot of credit for their awesome custom maps.

So essentially Prizing, potential partner, and logistics are known, just waiting on final legal and messaging to kick it off. http://www.infinityward.com/community/forum/Smileys/default/wink.gif

Also, been working on getting a certain 'unreleased' PC-specific prize in the prize pack that we had to work on. So hopefully that goes through.

As for the forums being down, that's simply due to the Activision server that hosts it going down. I just posted an add for a Web Builder on our jobs page, he will be coming in full-time here at IW to maintain all website related updates and upgrades while I focus on information flow. Meanwhile we have a separate team working on a new Infinityward.com + Forums that will replace our current one and will be the dedicated site for all news and updates that we can rely on.

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Your Partner? What do you mean? "PARTNER" Who.... is your partner? What THAT all about?

As for the website & forums...... you can rebuild/build for all you are worth.. without the proper KNOWLEDGEABLE administration and unbiased moderation, you'll still have a cesspool of testosterone saturated asshats insulting each other left and right.

What the PC Online Community needs is SUPPORT & COMMUNICATION.

Sound familiar? Thought it did. :)

Activision needs to cure itself of the CANARY SYNDROME. They must butt out of IW's day to day userbase relations and get back to doing what they are all about. Publishing & Distributing Quality Games.

Activision is incapable of offering top notch support and communications relative to each game they publish and distribute. If they believe so, they are in fantasy land.

Activision must allow the developers leeway. As it is now with their "micromanagement" BS, they're committing financial suicide. It may take a while, but they seem to be bound and determined to supersede EA's lousy reputation.

As for 402, he like IW, is "muzzled" too.

[RaDioAcTivE]

402-- "I just posted an add for a Web Builder on our jobs page, he will be coming in full-time here at IW to maintain all website related updates and upgrades while I focus on information flow."


So imagine if you will 402 sitting at his computer looking at the monitor with his hands at his sides. Focusing really really hard on all of that, "information flow". Not typing anything or making any calls or actually doing anything other then, "focusing".

We all know how busy he must be with all of the updates and information that we get on a daily basis. I'm so glad that he now has other people to moderate the forums for him, build a new site for him and now maintain the current site for him.



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[Tally]

402-- "I just posted an add for a Web Builder on our jobs page, he will be coming in full-time here at IW to maintain all website related updates and upgrades while I focus on information flow."


So imagine if you will 402 sitting at his computer looking at the monitor with his hands at his sides. Focusing really really hard on all of that, "information flow". Not typing anything or making any calls or actually doing anything other then, "focusing".

We all know how busy he must be with all of the updates and information that we get on a daily basis. I'm so glad that he now has other people to moderate the forums for him, build a new site for him and now maintain the current site for him.



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:d That had me laughing hard because its so true - what the hell does he actually do anyway?

However, the hallmark of a good "manager" is effective deligation. Just like he's doing with the job of WebMaster, lets hope that 402 hires someone skilled to take over handling communication :p

[zeroy]

:d That had me laughing hard because its so true - what the hell does he actually do anyway?

He is very busy, believe me ...

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[Drecks]

As far as i know this four two zero is an IW employee ?
So we can blame them to and not only Activision.
Hahaha that blog only is to funny for words.

A game with these sales numbers and then see
that crappy forum and communications makes
me smile and justify my overcritical approach i had
and still have towards anything these people do.

That contest to funny for words. It reads as the
deathline is march 31st. Wouldn't suprise me iff
they come with the excuse they did not mention
the year. So the deathline could be next year to.

I remember an independent developer.
It made superb game played by a minority
And in that small community some members made maps.
They made maps for a minority game but these maps
where easy to distribute and you only had to download
them once. This independant developer decided
to have a contest.

Damn and guess what. They had the intelligence
to split that contest in two parts. The first part was
for maps who already been there and the 2th part
of the contest offerd more time so all people could
made a map from scratch.

Now that independent developer manage to have
some nice prices and made some clear rules.
When a mapper was unaware of the rules or they
did not understand them. The devteam contacted
you on MSN or by email to straight things out.

At the end the maps who entered the contest where distributed
in a mappack. A win win situation.....

Now to get back to IW/Activision. How hard can it be to
have contest. Which legal mountains has to be climbed.
Maybe they can contact Tripwire (http://www.tripwireinteractive.com/) for some advice

Yeah this topic made my day.......

* Disclaimer

This post might contain critic. The post is my personal opinion and might not the opion of this website or forum.

[RaDioAcTivE]

Actually I believe that 402 is an employee of Activision and not IW.

Of course I guess technically everyone at IW is an employee of Activision but I was under the impression that 402 takes his orders straight from Activision first. That came from hearing that he was told not to forward on any more error reports about COD2 to IW because the higer ups at Activision wanted IW focusing on COD4 and not patching COD2. That's paraphrasing in the extreme but it was something along those lines. I believe this originated from a post from Tally??? based on conversations that were had at the COD4 community summit. That seems like a long time ago.


Honestly though in general it's hard to complain about the flow of information for COD4 when you compare it to where we all were just a couple of years ago. Five patches in a little over 5 months with more on the way is pretty awesome in my book. Sure it could be better but it's a vast improvment. I'd imagine they're gearing up for a big push into this summer to milk every last dollar out of the cash cow that COD4 is.

[SixGunJustice]

I agree with you radio, I have always thought he was employed by AV . . . not sure why, but that has always been my perception . . . I too was pleasantly surprised to see patch after patch coming out soon after the release . . . I became slightly optomistic. RE 402: I have simply become accustomed to his 'keep it mysterious' approach at communication . . . I think he is still using the same criptic, non-commital phrases he used way back during the COD2 fiasco when he entered the scene - I bet he has a bunch of those written down somewhere. IMHO, Activision still has yet to hire a communication liason . . . wish they would!

I think Patch 1.6 will be really pivitol for COD4. First, we will see if they fixed the IMPORTANT stuff (and no, I'm not referring to some new friggen' kill-cam views), and second, if they didn't, will they snub the community like they did with COD2 and simply move on to developing another cash cow instead.

They have certainly seemed to have listened to the community abit more this time around so I am hopeful . . . God knows that we will only hear about 1.6 from 402 on it's release though!

6Gun

[rafik]

Im two sided here. I would like to be fair on the guy, and say maybe the amount of insulting he gets is why he doesnt visit forums much.

But then I saw his MSN name:

FourZeroTwo 360


I mean....

Calling yourself that must be intentionally to annoy the PC community. I cant see any other reason why

[Drecks]

What you see is what you get....

The IW site simply tells he is on their team. Remarkable thing is he is the only one who hide the most part of his face.

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[wakka]

Someone told me, that though 1.6 is ok for the pc and passed.

They still struggle to push the new maps out, as they can't work out how to make people pay for them.

As it stands some would buy it yeah, but a lot could just download it.

They don't want to make it like an expansion with seperate cdkey, though i suspect they will.

Whether all is true or not, I try not to listen nor read wot that muppet says

[Tally]

Actually I believe that 402 is an employee of Activision and not IW.

Of course I guess technically everyone at IW is an employee of Activision but I was under the impression that 402 takes his orders straight from Activision first. That came from hearing that he was told not to forward on any more error reports about COD2 to IW because the higer ups at Activision wanted IW focusing on COD4 and not patching COD2. That's paraphrasing in the extreme but it was something along those lines. I believe this originated from a post from Tally??? based on conversations that were had at the COD4 community summit. That seems like a long time ago.


Honestly though in general it's hard to complain about the flow of information for COD4 when you compare it to where we all were just a couple of years ago. Five patches in a little over 5 months with more on the way is pretty awesome in my book. Sure it could be better but it's a vast improvment. I'd imagine they're gearing up for a big push into this summer to milk every last dollar out of the cash cow that COD4 is.


I'll confirm that. 402 is controlled by the AVTI PR department, but his paycheck comes from IW.

As AVTI owns 100% of IW, its difficult to differentiate AVTI from IW. I suppose the only fair way to do it is this:

The IW Devs are "IW"
The IW Company is Activision's

The IW Devs (that especially includes Grant) dont like or trust 402. Yet, just as they were stiffled by AVTI PR department before 402 was employed, they are stiffled by them now. 402 is told what to put out by the AVTI PR department.

The AVTI PR department checks with "IW" (that is, the Devs) about what state such-and-such is at.

The AVTI PR department then tell 402 what to put out.

This explains why 402 never knew why the COD2 1.2 patch didnt work, and why the gamestate hadnt been increased. Because, although his office is physically just down the hall from Grant and Vince's, he doesnt get his info from them direct - it comes from AVTI PR department.

The IW Devs are PC guys, yet they are caught between a rock and a hard place when it comes to the play-off between it and console. Game development is leaning right over and nearly breaking its back in the direction of console games because that's where the money is.

As such, a company like Activision, which is simply a money-whore, will force all of its subsideraries to go after that cash-cow. When this happens, you see former PC-loyal devs like those at "IW" struggling to come to terms with the situation.

Ive physically seen the look of near anguish on the faces of Grant, Vince, Jason and Mackey (Avatar) when you talk about this, and you can see they are having a hard time coming to terms with the fact that their company - "IW" - origianlly a "PC" company, is being forced over and bent backwards to suit the console market.

Its not what they want. But its what they are forced to do.

Grant, Vince and Jason want to buy out of Activision's strangle hold over them. They are hoping the personal profit they make from COD4 will enable them to do this.

If AVTI doesnt sell to them, they plan to go it alone again, and break out and start a new studio again - one which will favour PC more than it does console.

[TruSlaughter]

well Tally your probably right about IW wanting to break away, but lets remenber Grant & Vince were the ones who sold thier soul to Activision $$$ after breaking away from EA. so in effect they're sleeping in the bed they made for themselves. i don't really feel sorry for them. As for zero4u since when is a community relations manager in charge of hiring anyone? wouldn't that be handled by the Human relations/personnel dept? his a**kissing is sure helping him climb the corp. ladder. seems the more things change the more they stay the same, to me

[Tally]

well Tally your probably right about IW wanting to break away, but lets remenber Grant & Vince were the ones who sold thier soul to Activision $$$ after breaking away from EA. so in effect they're sleeping in the bed they made for themselves. i don't really feel sorry for them. As for zero4u since when is a community relations manager in charge of hiring anyone? wouldn't that be handled by the Human relations/personnel dept? his a**kissing is sure helping him climb the corp. ladder. seems the more things change the more they stay the same, to me

So, you dont feel sorry for someone who couldnt have forseen what would become of their "project"?

You have the gift of forsight do you, with all the benefits that such gives you?

Well, you're a better man than I am then, Gunger Din!

[RaDioAcTivE]

What you see is what you get....

The IW site simply tells he is on their team. Remarkable thing is he is the only one who hide the most part of his face.

http://www.easygamer.nl/iws.jpg (http://www.easygamer.nl/iw.jpg)


That's funny because I just looked over that page with everyone's pic the other day. The one thing that I took from it other then 402's shot was that everyone for the most part is pasty white and they all look like they need some sun.


Thanks for the explanation Tally. It's amazing how far information like that will go in the PC world. While I agree that they made the bed that they are in it's sad as hell that the IW main guys are hoping to make enough money to buy their way out of Activision. So in the end after making us the great games that they do their pockets are empty while some huge corporation is raking in the cash from their efforts.

The one good thing is if they do manage to buy their way out is that being free, broke and hungry will make them extremely motivated when working on their next title. I wonder if Activision owns the Call Of Duty tm now?

[Mike Nomad]

Who cares about the name?? We know who it is and believe me, if they go through Steam.... they will soar to greater heights than ever before. :wink1: