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Reason for question is packaged "ADWARE and or SPYWARE"
Will MOH:Airborne have this so called ADWARE crap in it ? May I turn your attention to this thread that just so happened to hit the streets AFTER BF2142 hit the store shelves.
Current discussion of this over at [H]ardOCP in ref to the HIDDEN ADWARE software in BF2142
Please oh god please if you have any kind of pull and what not please please contact who ever. I can tell you this, if I go out and buy MOH:Airborne and that box has not ONE MENTION of this Bullcrap on it and yet I find INSIDE of the NOW OPENED BOX and i MUST agree to it or no play. EA better have deep pockets because the state I'm from don't mind suing EA's arse off.
This is fraud period and yes this really pisses me off to find out that EA slid this crap in without notifying the public BEFORE they bought and OPENED the damn box.
I cant wait till the US Gov, FTC, SEC gets hold of this one.
I will be contacting the SAG here in CT on this one. I do believe that this is illegal here and yes the SAG here has gone up against this same crap.
Until I hear a POSITIVE yes or no if this crap is in Airborne, my money will remain in my wallet. If this ADWARE software is in this new game I can bet your bottom dollar better watch EA stock. I see it falling in the future over this and I can bet ya I will do what I can to ENSURE that all here CT knows about this. Starting from the states attorney generals office.
Airborne for me is on HOLD until I know WTF crap software is inserted into the game.
I wouldnt be holding your breath waiting on an answer to that.
I have been asking if they intend to use the ranked server (you know, where you have to rent from EA to get a fully featured server) system on MOH:A. Even though answering that question would not IMHO be letting the game design cat out of the bag they wont touch the subject with a 10 foot pole.
Then this is indeed bad news then. If he wont even answer that one then you are so correct, he sure as hell wont answer this one.
I can see the "tombstone" of Airborne already.
Not being honest to the public and committing pure fraud in installing adware that the user has no choice on or knows about BEFORE OPENING THE DAMN BOX.
10-19-2006, 01:47 PM
All this remains to be seen.... EA already has a lousy reputation to repair... and Blackhat AA has been busting his butt trying to do so...
If this ADWARE/SPYWARE thing is for real... EA has proven they are arrogant asshats out for the buck.... if not, then all Blackhat's work is worthwhile and EA is in the clear.
Time will tell the truth. It always does.
10-19-2006, 02:55 PM
Hey guys, sorry it took me a bit to get over here on this one. There's been a lot of information on this taken out of context and misconstrued. First, read this letter from the DICE team about the subject:
The in-game advertisement is respectful of players' privacy: it never accesses files not directly related to the game, and it does not capture personal data such as cookies, account login detail, gameplay behaviour or surfing history. As it is an integrated part of Battlefield 2142 and not a separate program, it only runs when the game is running.
Because BF2142 delivers ads by region, the IP address of the player is used to determine the region of the player and helps serve ads by region and language; for instance, a player in Paris will be presented with ads in French. Note that this IP address is not stored on the advertisement server and is not repurposed for other uses.
A unique ID number is anonymously assigned the first time the player joins a Battlefield 2142 online game. It is stored locally on the PC but is not linked to any personal details.
The in-game advertisement gathers what we call “impression data”, such as location of the billboard in the game or duration of advertisement impression. It helps see how many people have seen an ad – but not who has seen it.
We are also conscious that the advertisement shouldn’t distract the player from the overall gaming experience, so all ads fit in the unique environment of each level in the game. The content of the ads is also controlled to ensure that no offensive content is displayed in Battlefield 2142.
We all hope that this explanation will address recent concerns on the advertisement in Battlefield 2142.
See you on the Battlefield.
The Dice Team
More information is available in this interview, as well:
Now the obvious issue - Medal of Honor Airborne. I can tell you right now that there are no plans to put any in-game advertising in Medal of Honor Airborne, and certainly no spyware.
Hope that clears a few things up for you guys. Beyond that I'd say hit up the Official Battlefield message boards. They're likely to have more information on the matter.
Good news indeed for Airborne then. yayayayyayayayayayya
Ok I can agree that a company has to make money. But to be perfectly honest with you.
Why wasnt this IGA Adware stuff mentioned on the box.
Why isnt this so called adware a "option" to install. Having ads running while playing is well...... Again this should have been mentioned and this feature if you call it that should have been a option.
Still the fact remains that this is exactly that "AdWare" and that you have to REMOVE a very important MicroSoft anti ad/spy ware tool/update.
if you do not want ads then guess what, you CAN NOT play the game. If Im not mistaken, BF2142 is a ONLINE game so you have no choice.
And yes the moment that you run this game up your info is being transmitted to that so called adware company.
IN ORDER TO PLAY BF2142 YOU MUST ALLOW THE ADWARE PROGRAM TO RUN AND ACCESS THE INTERNET
That is totaly wrong.
10-19-2006, 03:43 PM
IN ORDER TO PLAY BF2142 YOU MUST ALLOW THE ADWARE PROGRAM TO RUN AND ACCESS THE INTERNET
BF2142........ will NEVER, EVER see the light of day on my machines.... I've had enough of the intrusive crap... Double Click made sure of that. Screw BF2142 and its advertising.
Its a wonder these Madison Avenue advertising goofs haven't found a way to invade our dreams when we sleep!!
Mike here ya go bro.
"The disclaimer notes that the game may include software that records users' IP addresses and "other anonymous information" collectively referred to as "advertising data." It also says that information is sent off to advertising firm IGA Worldwide for the purpose of delivering in-game ads, and if users don't want IGA to have access to that data, their only recourse is to not play or even install the game on a computer with Internet access"
You opened the damn box and guess what folks, you are stuck with a 60 dollar game that is worthless.
WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING
THIS ADWARE CRAP IS NOT MENTIONED ANYWHERE ON THE BOX AND THE BOX DOES NOT STATE ANY OF THIS CRAP. YOU THE USER WILL FIND ALL THIS "ONCE" YOU OPENED THE BOX. WHAM!! YOU ARE OUT $60 BUCKS.
What a "SCAM" job..................
10-19-2006, 04:03 PM
Scam Job is putting it mildly. This entire concept is totally unethical. It is a stealthed invasion of a user's privacy in the highest order!! This intrusion must be stopped either by public outcry or lawsuit(s).
People had better realize, the software code utilized here, while claimed to be innocently using an IP address... can be used for any number of snooping and/or information gathering duties, legal or otherwise. In the near future, an IP address will be as personal to an individual as a home address. Except that an IP address is capable of revealing a great deal more with the use of slick invasive software.
I'll never have a thing to do with this other than to lodge a stiff complaint with the appropriate regulatory agencies, both State and Federal.
I am ever so grateful that Airborne will not be plagued with this nonsense. Thnx Blackhat. :)
10-21-2006, 06:49 AM
From another forum (fps);
I have no idea frankly. But it seems people wanted it disclosed BECAUSE they feel it is malicious, and it's not.
Malicious or not.... the consumer/user should have be notified prior to the sale. There is no talking around that. The fact remains that full disclosure of the "catches" is in most jurisdictions required by law.
As for malicious... who knows... it certainly is arrogant and unethical.
Irrespective of what EA or IGA say about what levels of monitoring/spying is currently in their game, I draw your attention to their ACTUAL terms and conditions which state what they believe they CAN monitor.
In particular, the section entitled: "What is personal information and when does EA collect it?"
"Personal information is information that identifies you and may be used to contact you on-line or off-line."
"Electronic Arts collects personal information from our online visitors during ... use of our software or online services."
"Information collected ... may include your name, e-mail address, phone number, mobile number, home address, birth date, and credit card information. In addition, we may collect demographic information such as gender, zip code, information about your computer, hardware, software, platform, media, Internet IP address and connection, information about online activity such as feature usage, game play statistics and scores, user rankings and click paths and other data that you may provide in surveys or online profiles, for instance. We may combine demographic information with personal information."
This statement is REALLY disturbing...how do you read it? I see nothing but "it's our right to intrude upon your privacy and system". Pure, corporate arrogance and greed.
The version of the document that I have quoted from is 20426_11 and was current on the website and in the game today 19/10/2006.
I'd say Electronic Arts & IGA have stepped.... no, trampled the bounds of being ethical and forthright in its dealings with EA consumers.
You know, the more I discover about this travesty, the uglier it becomes.
Blackhat please play it smart, distance yourself and MOH Airborne as far away from this corruption as you possibly can. Please do not get caught up in it.
This entire episode is an accident looking for a place to happen.
Let EA and IGA answer for their nefarious misdeeds.
Unfortunately Mike, I'm out of answers for you. I've given you the information I've got on the situation, and anything else will have to come from other sources. :( I'm the MoH Community Manager, and have spent a disproportionate amount of my day today and yesterday addressing the issue because I'm trying to do what I can to help FPS'ers in general. Unfortunately, this is where I have to step back because, as I said, I'm out of info on the subject. If I hear anything more, however, I'll be sure to let you guys know. I've already told you that MoH Airborne won't have in game ads, whether or not you choose to believe that is entirely your choice.
BH, you have been more than helpful!! :bravo:
In fact, you've proven you care and as a result of caring, tried to ease the severity of the situation.
I believe your report that MOH Airborne will be free of that awful "jazz". I highly doubt you'd intentionally offer something false. We are all, I'm certain, looking forward to the release of MOH Airborne.
Thank you for all you do!! :bravo:
10-21-2006, 04:44 PM
Blackhat ~ understood that it isn't the title you are working on, but ty for the info provided thus far.
12-10-2007, 12:20 PM
Instead of putting adware/spyware.... they simply screwed the entire userbase over with a LOUSY release.
Airborne is and will remain a complete and total FAILURE.
Recommendation: DO NOT BUY!
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